Choiceless awareness -- is it a possibility?
IT BETTER BE. OR A LOT IN LIFE WILL BE BIOCHEMICALLY/GENETICALLY DICTATED.FREE WILL ARISES ONLY AFTER CHOICELESS AWARENESS. WITHOUT IT FREE WILL IS A MERE EMPTY CLAIM BY A SLAVE OF THE THOUGHT.
Choiceless does it means there is no thought present in the context of making choice?
I WILL TELL U WHAT I HAVE FOUND IN 7 YEARS. CHOICELESS PERHAPS IMPLIES OBSERVATION WITHOUT IDENTIFICATION. WHICH MEANS SEEING EVERY THOUGHT PASSING THE MIND WITHOUT THINKING ABOUT ANY OTHER THOUGHT. NO SECONDARY THOUGHT IS THOUGHT OF AS WE OBSERVE ONE THOUGHT. AS AN UNDENAIBLE FACT AS I OBSERVE A SINGLE THOUGHT ANOTHER ONE ARISES GIVEN THE ANALOGICAL PROPERTY OF HUMAN MIND. BUT KRISHNAMURTI STEPS IN HERE. THE KEY LIES IN NOT LETTING GO THE MEDITATIVE STATE AND INSTEAD ATTEND TO THE THOUGHT THAT JUST AROSE. IN THIS WAY NO OTHER THOUGHT REIGNS SUPREME WHICH MEANS THAT ALL RISING THOUGHTS ARE SEEN AS THEY RISE .ANALOGICALLY OR OTHERWISE. THIS PROCESS IS CHOICELESS COZ NO THOUGHT IS CHOSEN OVER THE OTHER. BEING CHOICELESSLY AWARE OF EACH AND EVERY THOUGHT.
Our bases of all thoughts are choices(i can elaborate on this context )
THOUGHTS GIVE US CHOICES. I AGREE TILL HERE. WHAT U SAY I M NOT ABLE TO APPRECIATE. I NEED UR VIEWPOINT IN MORE DETAIL.
Is awareness different from conciousness(i want to have a collection of opinions on this topic to refine our search).
THAT IS MORE OF A THEORETICAL APPROACH. IF WE R AWARE OF OUR EXISTENCE EVERY MOMENT THE CONSCIOUNESS AND AWARENESS ARE PRACTICALLY IDENTICAL. THEORETCALLY WHEN DEATH COMES BOTH MUST END. I DONT KNOW MORE TO ELABORATE. THOUGH QUESTION INDEED.
When no thought is present how can we even make an observation? for that even some thought has to be present.
OBSERVATION WITHOUT THOUGHT IS POSSIBLE. MOST OF THE TIMES WE OBSERVE THINGS A PARALLEL THOUGHT-CHATTER IS GOING IN OUR MINDS. K SAYS TO BE AWARE OF THIS ENDLESS CHATTER. WHEN THIS HAPPENS THE CHATTER ENDS AND MIND SEES THINGS WITHOUT ANY PREJUDICE OR BIAS TO LOOK IN A CERTAIN WAY. REMEMBER MADONNA SINGING "U ONLY C WHAT UR EYES WANT TO SEE" SHE GOT IT RITE THERE!!!
About thoughts i would like to ask is there any thought of your own(0riginal or creational)
DIFFICULT TO SAY BUT THERE A MORE CHANCES THAT THERE ISN'T. WHATEVER MITE SEEMS TO BE MINE IS A ILLUSION AT BEST. THE THOUGHT IS UNORIGIANAL SINCE IT IS JUST A REARRANGEMENT OF THINGS KNOWN ALREADY TO THE MIND. A "NEW" THOUGHT IS IMPOSSIBLE COZ HOW WILL THE MIND RECOGNIZE IT AS NEW...MIND CN RECOGNISE ONLY A THING OR THOUGHT WHOSE ELEMENTS ARE ALL KNOWN TO IT ALREADY.
or is there anything called mind (have we ever proved that mind exists which is the base of creation of thought )
MIND IS CALLING ITSELF THE MIND. ITS AN ABSTRACTIO OF THE HIGHEST DEGREE....THE MIND GIVING A NAME TO ITSELF. IMPOSSBLE WITH MACHINES TODAY. THE SPLIT IS INHERENT TO HUMAN MIND. REMEMBER "THE OBSERVER IS THE OBSERVED" ITS OF THAT SORT I THINK.
Thought of Fear we can corelate to our genes if it was not present peoples will be jumping into fire doing all kind of stuff leading to extinction. One argument i can have in favour of creation of thought is the very first thought itself .. how did it form? Have we ever thought of anthing beyond our perception of 5 senses(i do not negate the sixth sence als
THOUGHT PROBABLY ORIGINATED IN THE MIND TO SERVE ITS SINGLE MOST IMP PURPOSE: U SAID IT ABSOLUTEL RITE. SURVIVAL. WE R DISCUSSING HOW GREAT THE ROLE DOES THOUGHT HAVE BEYOND SURVIVAL. LIKE A DOG WHICH WAS DOMESTICATED FOR MASTER'S PROTECTION SUDDENLY TURNS BACK TO BITE ITS MASTER. THAT IS THE SCENARIO WITH THOUGHT. THE DOG IS OUR THOUGHT HERE ANALOGY WISE.